The Hartlib Papers

Title:Letter, John Beale To Hartlib
Dating:18 January 1658
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<Hartlib: No. 81.       [et?] lit. ad Mr Breret. (1. 2.)>
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Dearest Sir.
          Mine of Ian. 14 was the least part of an answere to your bountifull duplicate of Ian.8. Neyther yet have I fit leysure, but I must doe, as I can. Th'enclosed to Mr Brereton will free mee from a part of my debt to you. By it, you will apprehend what hee wrote to mee, Evry period beeing an answere, or descant upon soe many clauses in his. You will see, That I affect a squarnesse, & rough-hewne plainesse towards him. For a persone of such substantial honour must not bee courted with nicenesse & effeminacy. When you have perused it, & extracted, if you see cause, any generall advertisements, I pray you, soe seale it, That Hee may <not> discerne my openesse.
     In my laste, by shuffling haste, I tempted you to rebuke Mr Boyle for saying that which hee did not say. For I had not throughly weighed your letters. Thus I must excuse it. The witty Lord Mich Mountagne in a large compasse of wordes, & many arguments, shewes That noe flattery is soe pleasing, as a smart obiection, That is not pointed with pride or malice, nor fitted to wound deepe. Mine could not wound at all. for tis truth That which Mr Boyle addes, That Hevelius takes noe notice of that single Moone about Saturne, mentioned more lately by Hugenius, but after much disquisition, & many perplexityes about the various phænomena suggested by Hirschgaiter, & Fontana, & discoverd by his owne Telescope Hee seemes to conceicture, Selenog: pag: 42, That two stars doe at times run about Saturne & sometimes give
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those shapes of Armes on King bowe: but afterwards in his expresse dissertation de Saturni facie, pag pag 30 in an appendant Scheme Hee does perfectly salve all the Phænomena of Saturne in all changes, & motions, & with such cleare appearances of reasone, That it could not possibly bee refuted by any other meanes, than of a better Telescope. And hence wee may see, That a good Telescope does more than any diligence or skill in Astronomy. And nowe let us provoke the Iesuites to transport the best Telescopes to their Peru, & other Southerne plantations, And from thence to make their discoveryes, [deletion] And from the Æquinocticall Habitations, where the heavens are clearer, or more painted, & the stars more conspicuous, as Mr Ligon tells us from Barbados. From the advantage they had by the serenity of the brighter heavens, The Caldeans & Ægyptians were of old encouraged to bee more skillfull in the stars than other nations; And wee Britaines are by the witty Iulius Scaliger condemnd to the muddy heavens; And the Spanish Embassadour bad buonas nochas to the Sun, when hee was sent for England: Will not the noble Oxonians redeeme us from this Infamy? Non tam aversus equos nostram Sol vertit ab urbe.
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And to help this & other Speculations, I would gladly heare from the other pole; Howe the Magnet & needle doe behave themselves there; whether in the changeable variation, They are soe apt to say, Nos fuimus Troes. Is it not possible by exaltation & more universall application of Magneticall [deletion] Instruments of divers sortes to bee at more certainty concerning the inequalytyes of the Terrestriall globe. If I were a ranke penman, to provoke the more severe inquisition, I would take up this paradox. That this globe wanted soe much of a true rotundity, That it did neerer approach to that kind of ovall, which is the delight of the Magnete, & more blunt towards the one pole, than towards the other. Wee doe generally assume it, That in our Northerne pole, wee have more earth, more men, more stars, & more day & (as the Popes were wont to observe) more devills too, for they say, Omne malum ab Aquilone: Whence wee may better infer more good Angells: And Dr Ridley collects, That the Pole of the magnet, which seateth it selfe North, is allwayes the most vigourous & strong pole to all intents & purposes. But, Dr Browne assuring (Paradox lib.2. c.3.) That beyond
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the Equator, The Southerne point is Soveraigne, & that therefore man should not accompt the variation by the diversion of the Northerne point, Wee should bee willing to heare on both eares from both the poles. And why should wee presume a more perfect smoothnesse & rotundity in the Earth than can in other Planetary or starry globes? For by the most accurate inspection of Hevelius Selen: pag 267 &c The hills & rockes of our next neighbour the moone are neerer the height of 24 English miles <from the next vale>, Than any of our Terrestriall mountaines of Caucasus, Atlas Atlas et pico &c are to the height of 2 <two> English miles; & their extent of like proportion, which must bee a greate defacement of rotundity, if wee consider howe much our Terrestiall globe is larger than the Lunar globe. And all the Planets, largest stars & the Sun himselfe are discovered to fayle of perfect rotundity; And the obliquity of Mans is notorious. This mee thinkes deserves as much wonder for his constant halfe-orbe, or quoitish semi-circle, as Satarne for his arched elboes. I doubt, whether our comon pebbles, or at least Gafferells Gamahes may not prove as round [left margin:] as the stars, putting the earth in the number of stars & comparing the one with the other all along: For I expect noe more perfect [catchword: lines]
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<Hartlib: 2. No.81>
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lines in the figures of the stars, than in their distances & motions, which puts mee in minde to sollicite <the Sense> of learned forreigners upon Dr Wards Geometricall Astronomy. Mr Boyle will tell us what shape the largest of fixed stars have in the immense Telescope, & what diversityes of colours are there appeare. for this belongs to a secrete inquisition which lyes under my engagement, for which I am not yet ripe, & yet I knowe I am riper, than the vulgar spirits of the time will beare.
     If you will nowe give mee leave for a phansicall discourse, such as I have heard from Sir Edmund Bacon to
1 Sir H Wotton when wee <were> all under the Rose; That Christe
2 is the Sonne of God, filius dei et Sol Iustitiæ; That evry saint, when hee comes to bee actually King & Prieste, shall really & without a metaphore preside over one of thiese fayre Orbes, his orbe the fayrer as his Sanctity hath beene more eminent, & his relation to the Sun soe much the more conspicuous;
3 That the inhabitants of thiese Orbes, & their transactions, & correspondence, are amongst St Pauls [Greek: [stemata?altered] arreta]
4 That this Sun is the Soveraigne arbitrator of life & death, generation & corruption all over the world;
5 That the Presidents of these Orbes are the Thrones dominions, principalityes, & powers, That are mentioned, 1 Colos. 16. &c
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6 Ephes.1. 21; That thiese are the chariots of God which are attended with thousands, even many thousands of Angells. The inumerable company mentioned Heb.12. 22.
7 That this <our> Globe is governed by the 7 chiefe Angells or Spirits mentioned by Iohn, explicated by Mede & authentical antiquity, & instanced in Dr Worthingtons laste;
8 That each of these sends foorth his many Legions, when it is for the protection of a single St militant as when Iacob fled before Laban & sawe Gods hoste, which hee cald [Mahanamine?];
9 That Principall nations on this globe are under the protection of Principall Angels, as Daniel implyes c.10. v.13. The Princes of the Kingdom of Persia withstood mee one & twenty dayes but lo Michael one of the chiefe princes came to helpe mee
10 That the Sts, by the eyes of the minde (of which fayth is the best eye) doe see these Invisible hosts manage this issue of all Counsayles of peece & war, arts, & battles, as Mr Lokiyer, England in his wounds, pag 102 &c, & frequently, as well christians, as old Poets, Homer Virgill &c.
11 That in cases extraordinary & above the Interest of this globe, The Sun, into whose hands is assigned the Dominion above over all Angells, will send foorth his Angells, extraordinary Embassadours, which shall poure foorth vialls of wrath, or Vnctions of Mercy upon the face of the Earth;
12 That as the celestiall globes
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have beene lately found to bee earthlike Masses soe wee shall shortly knowe That Magicians & Witches have contracted their familiarity with spirits earthly, aereall, & minerall, That are of a base alloy, but our Lord hath made his Angels Spirits, & his Ministers a Flame of fire.
13 And therefore the viler sort of Witches have familiars fed upon mummy & humane bloud, & their spirits are sent them in whirlewinds & <in> small gusts of blasty windes, as Dr Lambs disciple, Mr [Bodenham?] & others doe shewe.
14 And thiese base spirits doe not seeme to hold any other than a counterfeited intelligence with Iupiter, Venus, & other distant orbes. They can scarsely give accompt what is done in the next neighbourhood.
5 But when God sends his expresse Angell there is more reverence due to his presence than to put him to Intergatoryes. Noe not soe much as to enquire his name, much lesse his Nature
16 The incivility & profanesse of thiese intergatoryes [deletion] is observed in all Antiquityes, printed upon the best spirits & noted by Sir Phillip Sydney in his hospitable Kalanden;
17 And by this civility some good hospitable men have entertained strangers unawares, As the author to the Hebrewes notes c.13. v.2.
18 And nowe am I under a [Covenant?] to aske, why our Oxonian Astronomer are
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so unwilling to allowe some fewe graynes of weight to a well corrected modell of Astrology.
19 Will they derogate from their owne commendable labors, That all their observations concerning the figures, dances, & motions of the globes should only relate to the measure of Time & place?
20 They will not deny the Light & heate of the Sun; And as the Sun is under God the Soverainge Arbiter of Life & death, <of> generation & corruption through the seas & land, yea through the center of the earth. And this Vniversall fire, as it is more reflected, refracted, weaker, or stronger, soe it hath different operations, If this doe not make the Constellations signify something, wee may burne our Limbecks, & must renounce all art of pyrotechne.
21 Will not a true chymiste smile, if wee should tell him, That all degrees of heate, & all postures & proportions of rayes have the same operations, the same force?
22 The moisture of plants, zoophytes, shellfish & all animals attesteth the moisture of the Moone.
23 Mirandula shewes howe heate may effect the same increase of moisture;
24 If I grant his argument, yet I secure the effect.
25 Soe for the ancient tradition of the geniality of Venus, the serenity & maiesty of Iupiter, the fiercenes of Mars, the sequaciousnes of Mercury, the Malignity of Saturne, & the assistance or obstruction of other stars, I dare not without good evidence deny it.
26 In this Rosy presumption, wee may [catchword: find]
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find some answere, What maner[altered] of inhabitants belong to the other Orbes.
27 First in the modest negative of witty Galilæus. If a wilde Forrester, That never came out of his Woodes & Lawnes, nor ever saw seas or rivers, ships, boates, or fishes, should bee only told of That other element, Could hee ever coniecture what store, variety & kinds of fishes there are? Would hee thinke of Whales, Lobstars, shrimps, & oysters? could hee fancy them to live, sport, & play in a region, where they drewe noe breath? to glide without wings & thighes allmost as swift as a bird flyes in the ayre? Could hee imagine howe Armyes & Cittyes of Men woemen & children, with all utensiles of Trades & husbandry, should fly allmost as swift as the winde, from East to Weste, from North to South?
28 This the Negative, & Secondly wee come neerer to say, That our neighbouring spirits have spirituall bodyes, some more aery, some more vapourous some more dampy & minerall;
29 As the watery inhabitants have bodyes fitted for their watery Region; Soe the inhabitants of the ayre & the [catchword: Spi-]
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-rituall guardians & agitators of Minerall affayres, have bodyes fit for to negotiate & travayle through the ayre, & amongst Mineralls.
30 And hence in congruity, Wee conceive, That evry Orbe hath fit & proper inhabitants, sortable to every diversity of Element;
31 And to whatsoever Creatures our Soveraigne Lord assignes a dominion, To them [deletion] hee gives a sparke, or ray of his owne Maiesty, & some gleame of Vnderstanding, without which hee cannot attend at his Altar, as King & Prieste &c Our noble friend will remember, That all this is under the rose & that it was for some such purposes (as will hereafter more fully appeares) That Telescopes were found out in thiese laste dayes.
     Nowe to Mr Potters current money I will not dare to forestall an answere. I will rather wayte his, & your [deletion] leysure, for the seasone of a fuller discovery. Some hints to this purpose Hee seemed to give us in the large discourse, which you first bestowd on mee. And before I sawe soe much, as nowe I have seene, I gave you notice, That thiese points of wisedome doe belong & will make way to the Generall Reformation. Mr Woodes word wilbe the Court-blaste.
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It wilbe called Proiect-money, And that is poysone enough to assault Apollo. But if Newe England should begin the adventure, It will deserve to have the firste fruites of the blessing. I confesse a ielousy & zeale, That it should not fall into their hands, who make too much haste to set up a fifth Monarchy by carnall weapons, & by a carnall attempt against Civill Governement. But surely there is a day in which God will bring gold for brasse, for iron sylver &c.
                I will returne thiese papers by next carrier, if you please, That you may place them in such hands as can contribute more to procure them a publique Countenance. But if God hath reservd it for a Case & Seasone of Necessity, this will make the deliverance more wonderfull.
    I returnd not home in time to performe your request by thiese carriers. And I am not a little offended with our carryers for Tantaliseing mee, in withholding the desired bookes soe long. Howe I shall shewe myselfe a gratefull man to your learned sonne Dr Clodius, I cannot devise; But as hee takes care to preserve mee among the liveing Soe I have a syncere desire to serve him in my best capacity during my life; I must say againe I rely on you [catchword: to]
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to bee my best Orator.
                To all my relations in Parliament I give this advertisement as a caste of my office, & the the result of a friendly hearte, That They keepe one eare open towards White-hall & the other eare open towards the Interest of God & their Countrey, & then they will not bee like them That have fewer eares, than well become them. Neyther will they dissolve the golden chaine of peace at home, & renounce the generall interest of Protestants, in disputations about formes of governement, which in the best guise are sometimes under a curse, & in the worst guise doe sometimes carry a long & lasting blessing.
           Dearest Sir, I salute you, your worthy Sonnes & all yours, with my dayly prayers for the choicest of Gods Mercyes upon you all
Ian. 18. 58.          Your very affectionate servant in
                             Christ. I B
Sir yours of Ian. 15.th now received. That from chester is right, & savours of Mr B. From Youghall you write good devinity, from Dublin Literature. Mr Sherwyne mistakes my simplicity; but if I had a iuste call, I could discover nests of serpents. I pray you remember the propertyes of Laud: Helm: I had noe more yet but [mine? faded] owne experiments. I ever rest your obliged. I B.